Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2
research.meta.ai315 points by paulkrush a day ago
315 points by paulkrush a day ago
Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data.
I've been surprised by the reception to this, as OpenAI, for a while now, has had free API usage when data sharing is enabled (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10306912-sharing-feedbac...)
I enabled all data sharing settings but still don’t have a message about free use on that screen - the help page says free tokens are available to “some” users - is that 1% of users, 40% of users, etc?
Does your screen have the message that you’re getting free tokens?
https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr...
Yeah, I have it enabled for just one of my projects, and it says "You're enrolled for complimentary daily tokens." Haven't been billed for any usage with this. Their tooltip doesn't mention the newer models, but it works for those too. I used them in a recent project that I knew wouldn't hit the rate limits. Not sure how eligibility is decided though.
I tried following this page, and it's certainly a lot more complex than what Meta is offering. Different price tiers, opt-in configurations, usage based availability.. I'll take the 10x discount for flipping a param switch over this all day long.
Seems pretty clear to me: enable it for the projects you want, and there’s a 1M / 10M token limit per day, depending on the model you use. Assuming an average context size of 100k tokens, that is 10 to 100 requests, which is not a lot. Reason enough to prefer actually paying for Meta as well.
Does it show the free tokens message for you after you enable sharing? It does not for me.
This seems to be for business plans only?
Does it say that? I’m unclear.
Even non business accounts seem to have org settings pages: https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr...
But even with all data sharing enabled, I’m not seeing the free tokens message there.
Do others see a free tokens message at https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr... after enabling all sharing there?
Also, in a desktop browser at the page's [1] lower left it says "Personal organization", so if the 'organization' term is the concern, OpenAI still seems to use the term 'organization' even for personal accounts.
[1] https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr...
In my experience using DeepSeek v4 Flash free tier (context size limited to ~200k), the model isn't nearly as good as the paid one for agentic coding tasks. Unsure, if that's the case with these other providers too, though I wouldn't be surprised if it indeed is.
There is no official dsv4 flash free tier api afaik. Did you get it from open router or something? Likely quantized.
The paid official dsv4 api already shares data with deepseek for training
I actually really like that pricing strategy. It's very transparent
Developers on this orange site never ever learn.
What are you talking about? This is one of the most honest offers ever made by a corporation. “We’ll use your data, and we’ll compensate you for it.” Where is the problem?
I agree. I don’t mind you training on my data if you’re up front about it and you are willing to compensate me for it in some way. And if I don’t like the deal, I can always pay full price or use a different model.
Because they want to play teams and act like there's "good" companies,
all the while they throw their bank account and whatever they want at GPT or Claude models.
I love the idea of this pricing strategy but there is no way meta is not training on your data regardless of your monthly invoice
So you think the only difference between the $1.25/million token plan and the $0.10/million token plan is that you pay them more to both lie to you and breach their contractual obligation to you?
"they 'trust me'. dumb fucks."
The only difference between students doing it then and professionals doing it now is the students had no positive, glaring reason to mistrust.
I can't understand the psychology of people who think like this.
You really think a throwaway quote when Zuckerberg was a college student applies nowadays?
You really think Meta would risk getting a massive (losing) lawsuit on their hands, in exchange for what? Middling amounts of training data?
when has Meta ever not broken their contractual obligations (I am being serious here)? are we seriously discussing/expecting any sort of privacy related to Meta?
you can pay whatever they want, they will train and use your data, I figured this is not something that should be discussed but obviously I have been mistaken...
> when has Meta ever not broken their contractual obligations (I am being serious here)?
If you are being serious, then you have a wildly distorted view of the world. No organisation can routinely break all of their contractual obligations. If you think Meta are doing this then you are not seeing Meta, you are seeing a fictional bogeyman.
This is one of those situations where we are both completely baffled by the position held by the other person.
The fact that Facebook has so much experience taking advantage of people's private data is one of the reasons I believe them when they say they won't be doing it when you pay them for that service.
> The fact that Facebook has so much experience taking advantage of people's private data is one of the reasons I believe them when they say they won't be doing it when you pay them for that service.
To me, their history suggests that they know more than most about how to get away with breaking both the spirit and the letter of the rules, and that they are motivated to enrich themselves without regard for what rules are broken.
I would not know which to expect, spirit or letter, in any given instance.
However, even if they were to surprise me by being perfectly meticulous about the letter of the rules from now on, I have so little trust in them that I would expect some technicality somewhere in the language of the contract.
This. Without a massive cultural shake-up and turnover of upper management, why would expect them to behave any differently when they've been rewarded so heavily for this behavior in the past? Meta is ultimately an advertising and data brokerage company -- they make money selling and leveraging user data and behavior and are "bound" by fiduciary duty.
Honestly, I wish the tech community would do a better job identifying the actual individuals who are making these decisions instead of associating them with the brand they're under at the moment, because it's not THAT many people. Like, if you look at only the 100 tech sector companies included in the $NDXT index, how many individuals hold a VP or above title there, and how difficult would it be to trace key decisions at different times made at different companies to the individuals holding those positions there plus board membership and major shareholder identities (with the caveat of known unknowns here) and make a sort of ethical index and trace that along their careers with company moves, promotions, board appointments, shareholder decisions, etc? Go a step further and link that to financial performance and I'm sure folks at quant firms are already ten steps ahead of where I'm going with this, but I care less about profiting off of this data and more about surfacing it to show that it's people and more specifically, specific individuals driving these decisions.
How does money change that trust? They certainly have breached their word on this in the past (for non-paying users of Facebook).
Because they didn't have a financially backed contract with those non-paying users.
does the contract enable the customer to monitor/search Meta to ensure they are honoring the contract? if there is no mechanism for that it means very little. Though I bet/hope some will feed them "watermarked"/unique but worthless things and watch for traces of that to pop up in models or something like that, but that's hatdly enough to just take their word for it.
This is what the Muse Code launch blog post says:
We're also beginning to accept requests for zero data retention. Contact Meta sales to request this.