Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

3151 points by Dylan1312 6 days ago

https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2065597942602531163

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen.

Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.

I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really like to be. People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. I think this is a punitive move by an administration that loves being punitive, which they have unknowingly bolstered with their own dumb rhetoric.

replwoacause - 6 days ago

> Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.
Just more corrupt behavior from the contemptible kakistocracy that's busy running things into the ground and enriching themselves while they're at it.
- sh34r - 6 days ago
  
  Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
  - MattDamonSpace - 6 days ago
    
    The driving force behind most presidential votes
    
    themafia - 6 days ago
    
    That's what happens when you have a two party system but more than two political philosophies. Given that both parties will work tirelessly to prevent a third party from forming I think the level of corruption should be understood to extend _well past_ the White House.
    
    Schlagbohrer - 4 days ago
    
    When I was a teenager & college student, it was very instructive to be involved with 3rd party campaigns and see first hand how much the Dems and GOP will link arms with each other to block out 3rd parties. All kinds of dirty tricks to keep them out of televised debates, keep them off ballots, keep them out of people's minds as a real possible alternative.
    And it doesn't help that americans are shockingly well trained to recite the talking points they get handed. "A vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote", "We need to change the mainstream party from within," "If you don't support the DNC now, you won't have A Seat At The Table later", all that old crap.
    
    achenet - 19 hours ago
    
    the two party system is, in my opinion, unlikely to go away without electoral reform to change election at all levels of American government from "winner takes all" to "proportional representation", if Duverger's law is correct.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
resonious - 6 days ago

My gut reaction was that it does look like a PR stunt. But indeed it might also be a blunder caused by all of their other PR stunts. "Our new stuff is soooo dangerous!!", followed by "The US government believed us and acted accordingly".
- ApolloFortyNine - 6 days ago
  
  The CEO's post even mentions supporting export controls, all be it in regards to chip exports. [1]
  They suggested the use of the very law used against them here...
  [1] https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential
  - the-grump - 6 days ago
    
    I presume he's exhilarated that the government is taking the threat seriously and banning foreign nationals from accessing these super dangerous tools.
    Congratulations, Dario!
  - nojs - 5 days ago
    
    > all be it
    fyi you probably mean “albeit”.
- Luckyemmet - 5 days ago
  
  Granted that Claude's whole marketing strategy has been fear mongering this is a win win situation for them tbh.
- viking123 - 6 days ago
  
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espeed - 6 days ago

What's dangerous is Opus 4.8's proclivity to create backdoors and no-op critical security code. Claude Web counted 27 instances of this I had cataloged over the last few months, and Fable 5 found more. Fable 5 may do this too, but I didn't get a long enough chance to test it since it kept downgrading to Opus 4.8 on every prompt saying, "This model has safety measures that flagged something in this session", even when asking Fable 5 to fix the security issues it found that Opus 4.8 created. You have a model that presumably can write secure code and identify security vulnerabilities, but as a security measure, they say we're going to force you to use a model that creates security holes. This is backwards. Considering the scale, Opus 4.8 is creating more issues than Mythos or Fable 5 is patching.
hintymad - 6 days ago

Yeah. Our stuff is waaaaay toooooo dangerous! The model is soooo powerful that I have to write a long essay telling government to change the economic policies, to regulate hard, and to ban this and that. Well, now the government is indeed regulating for a claim that Dario has been warning about. This is exactly getting what he bargained for?
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varjag - 6 days ago

It’s a market manipulation following SpaceX ipo. They’ll buy and then reverse the decision shortly to sell.
- andsoitis - 6 days ago
  
  If you’re confident that will happen then you can also make that trade and profit, right?
  - varjag - 6 days ago
    
    People who look up to Donald Trump unsurprisingly feel his genius moves are hard to read. They are not though, if you are familiar with petty thug mentality: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46474173
    This prediction is quite falsifiable too so anyone is free to rub it in my face if it fails. If it's really a speculative insider trade the reversal will be done in the space of 2-3 weeks tops, but likely even faster. Probably on a workday. Kinda the same pattern they were doing with tariff swings until the market figured it out and stopped reacting.
    
    includenotfound - 5 days ago
    
    > People who look up to Donald Trump unsurprisingly feel his genius moves are hard to read
    I don't look up to Trump but this is phrased incredibly condescending of you. You are directly implying that people who like Trump are stupid.
    
    varjag - 5 days ago
    
    How do you gauge the tone of the reply I was answering to? You can't really be edgy to people on the Internet and not ever expect a pushback.
    
    includenotfound - 5 days ago
    
    You're clearly devaluating a group of people.
    "unsurprisingly": these people are predictable (by you, in this case)
    "his genius moves": hyperbole, you clearly think they are not
    You're saying people predictably like Trump's obviously bad moves AND are simultaneously incapable of reading these obvious moves (to paraphrase you without the snark). Then you're associating that with "petty thug mentality", as if people were too stupid not to look up to a criminal.
    You are the edgy one here, and in fact smug about it. At least post proof of stock positions, otherwise you're just confidently accusing people of being stupid while not putting your money where your mouth is.
    
    varjag - 5 days ago
    
    Notice how you ignored my question. I’m not sure if it’s malice or comprehension issue. Either way it’s not adding to the strength of your argument.
    
    includenotfound - 5 days ago
    
    You: "How do you gauge the tone of the reply I was answering to?"
    Me: "here's why, you said this word and that word, carrying this and that connotation"
    You: "Notice how you ignored my question"
    lmao
    Anyway - positions? Or is it just talk?