Show HN: Hallucinate – Massively Multiplayer Online Rave
hallucinate.site353 points by stagas 14 hours ago
353 points by stagas 14 hours ago
https://github.com/stagas/hallucinate
It's cool to see things like this, I wasn't aware of. I made something similar for VR around 6 or 7 years ago with full DJ mixing on real vinyl turntables. I got things built so DJs could play their set from anywhere in the world and have access to their music from their own studio or home etc. Unfortunately i was one guy making this and health issues have sadly put this project on hold indefinitely. It would be a shame to let it die like this and would love others to carry the project further.
What would be the best way to share this, i really don't know as i made it using unity engine, all my own assets, scripts etc are made by me, no vibe coding or anything like that. Here's a couple of videos of the project if anybody is interested in carrying this further, please let me know thanks. https://youtu.be/qXeiqlFA7Rg?t=171 Super cool, during covid times I sorta started making a system where you could back2back dj mix with a remote friend, but never really got anywhere. Would love to pick it up again, or know if there have been some new developments in this field? There are some ‘jam together’ type projects but as I recall, these werent really suitable for DJ mixing electronic music (latency wise). Unfortunately, you're usually working against physics and not software, because, as you allude to, playing music together requires near perfect latency (some sources say 10ms as an absolute maximum) that's physically impossible to achieve over a long distance, even if you had a perfect connection. Yeah right? But there must be some clever tricks, like a 1 bar buffer and only sending timing info and control data over the network mmmmm Perhaps you're being coy. But, I'm pretty sure people do this.
The performers can collaborate in "real time" (still offset from each other in real life) and the other participants (dancers and listeners) only hear finished music at the same time as all the other participants. The latency is in the audience/performer energy. If you want other people to carry it further, release your work as free software. Publish to github or radicle. If you're not sure how, just have an AI CLI help. This reminds me of the 2021 Secret Sky online music festival put on by Porter Robinson. The 2020 one was similar but the 2021 version had little human-like avatars. Some other people and me were messing around with the browser console to do things like change our accent colours or change the location text above our heads to whatever else we wanted. https://www.webbyawards.com/crafted-with-code/secret-sky-202... https://www.webbyawards.com/crafted-with-code/secret-sky-202... The GitHub repository is https://github.com/stagas/hallucinate - License is MIT - All contributions are welcome. Now that I have your attention, I've made this and I've been unemployed for a very long time -due to health issues- but now I'm fine and I'm looking for a job, creative frontend development in TypeScript is my specialization. Remote preferrably - European timezones. My email is in my HN profile if anyone's got any offer it would be amazing. Tysm everyone! First, congrats on getting healthy! Secondly, since you're presenting this as a portfolio entry, I have some open, honest feedback. I quickly reviewed the repository and there are some pretty major orange-red flags that would dissuade employers from reaching out. Some of them include: - Lack of coherent repository structure. All files under src/ with no sense of modularity - The commit messages are very poor. Messages like "cool" and "jump jump" and "perf" do not provide any context to anyone outside of yourself (and probably not even you will remember what those changes were days/weeks from now) - There are magic numbers everywhere. The biggest offender I found was in shaders.ts There are more but those are the top ones I saw from my quick review. Again this isn't meant to discourage you. I wanted to provide the feedback to help you be more successful with potential employers. Cheers! This is unhinged, I love it! Just a flat hierarchy of like a hundred ts files. It see some mixamo references. How are you playing animations? Is it optimized in any way for that many characters? The animation player is made by the AI and there have been many optimization passes but the AI did them so I can't help you really with that question. I'm using GPT 5.5. I initially tried Three.js but it was way too slow, so I went building shaders directly. I figured the fastest paths will need to be tailored to the use-cases and a framework is good for humans at the expense of performance but since now we can just write the specific code directly that's better. Add a README file, bro I don't want to push now because it will restart the server and break all connections :/ Shout-out to the dearly departed theclub.zone, which did this with a bit more panache (as well as a punishingly difficult secret platformer puzzle). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAXY_bZvWUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9I_zfQrfzM But imho, the truest club experience is the short game SLAVE OF GOD by Increpare: So fun. Long-time fan of electronic music and am heading to my first DJ-centered concerts this year. I think that scene is overrun with influencer types and various types of recreational substance use. Maybe I'm wrong. Bookmarking for background while I do other things! The scene has always been overrun with recreational substance use, dawg. Partake or not as suits your vibe and life goals, but get ready for it to be a prominent thing among others. "Influencer types" are new; social media has been corrosive even to this scene as well. A number of clubs in the UK and elsewhere are implementing no-phones policies as a result, so you can dodge some of it by picking venues. Fair points all around. I am now flashing back to jam/funk shows that occurred in smoke clouds. Not sure what part of the world you're from but I'm sure you can find some decent authentic gigs around where people aren't doing it for the likes and follows :) Honestly, going to a rave with a dancefloor and cool people is kind of lifechanging. It's kind of the environment that a lot of (most?) dance music is made for. Have a great time! I made a player motion heat map from ~5 hours of data: https://i.imgur.com/7lDuJI6.png I joined but seemingly I had to click start on the youtube video and there was no centralized sync sever. I can only assume the song in the 2hr mix that was playing for me, well, wasn’t playing for everyone else which kills the whole vibe of a rave for me. You should give the ability for clients to sync to the master playtime so it’s at least only a few seconds off! Would really increase the vibe instead of feeling gimmicky. You have a point, on the other hand, jumping in a set where I missed the intro and build-up, kills some of the vibe for me. This way everyone gets the same experience. That said, the plan is eventually to sync the rooms if that turns out to be a better experience. I think allowing jumping would add a lot. looking over the top of a whole crowd would be more visually dynamic. I couldn't play, the site didn't load for me :( The progress bar was stuck on 0% for about 2 minutes afterwhich I gave up. I am on Firefox 151.0.1 (aarch64) and if that helps at all MacOs 26.3 (25D125) if that helps at all. It's probably just the HN kiss of death. It loaded on firefox/mac for me to the point i got some buttons, but it took so long i just closed the page to reduce the load on it. I think it might be a FF issue.
I had the same issue on FF, but it loaded in Chrome. (also took some time though. 1~min) EDIT: nevermind, now it also loaded in FF I suspect it got more traffic than expected. See the same results on Win 11 with Chrome this morning. IJKL for movement instead WASD? An interesting approach... There's a meta joke in here somewhere about going to a rave and expecting it to be the same norms as the rest of the world. WASD is now the default, Tab switches between the two layouts for anyone interested. Look, God initially gave us QAOP on 8 bit (1). You WASD heathens are just kids. [1] With two sects, M or Space for fire. Nononono ZXMK Maybe on a C64, on the ZX spectrum it would make space very hard to reach. It's been my favorite key mapping ever since playing Renegade on Spectrum 128k :-) I love silly stuff like this and can only hope that with AI we see more of it. Enjoyed dropping in and the beats were fire. The whole point of a rave is to take Molly and have fun connecting with others who have also taken Molly. At least for this introvert. I was never a fan of Electronic Music, I tolerate it for the drugs and the temporary extroversion. How do you get into raves, and how do you take "Molly" and connect with others who have taken "Molly"? (Speaking as an electronic music super-fan, but curious about having never listened to it outside of my personal-devices per-se). I lucked out by meeting my partner, and she knew people who were really into the rave scene so I got into raves by going where they told me to go. However there may be other ways. There might be Facebook groups that advertise raves in your area for example. Event websites, local blogs. You may or may not end up in a good and fun one, but you might end up meeting someone who can point you in the right direction. One problem you might encounter is age. I find it funner to go to age appropriate events. If you’re in your 30s for example, you probably don’t want to party with 20 year olds. And electronic music culture is old enough that at this point you have people in their 50s still going to raves and doing drugs. So however old or young you are, don’t let that be the barrier. Molly is something you can only get from a dealer, unfortunately. There’s a site called RollSafe[1] that seems to have decent information on how to take it safely. Connecting with people who have taken Molly is easy though. Just come up to them and offer them a friendly hug. If at all reasonably possible, try to find a place where drugs can be tested to see what they really are (sadly a rare thing still, but it exists). The next best thing to do is talk with people in the scene and find out what they consider a trustworthy source. Any single person trying to offer you pills is a potential scammer or worse, you need to verify from other sources whether they're legit. There's probably a better than 50% chance you'll get something close enough to what you want regardless, because incentives are aligned with everyone having a good time. But just like everywhere else, bad actors will always exist. Most raves are just EDM shows now. In the 90s they were secret warehouse parties, and instead of Molly it was “Ecstasy”
Molly can be an unbelievable experience but please be very careful if you have mental illness. Facebook these days. Be careful; it’s expected to accidentally do methamphetamine at these events. There's a huge variety of electronic music styles. I'd really recommend trying some without the substances. Maybe the extremes are your thing? Or the highly melodic euphoric ones? Or dark stuff? Etc.. The nice thing if you find something is that it's also sustainable - as in: can do this for the rest of your life - which at least for me is definitely not the case with mdma. Very cool to vibe out with folks anonymously. Almost like the old days where you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are. Would love an option to cycle skin colors / tones. I hear this all the time as a rationalization for why people don't go out anymore, but I don't buy it. You're afraid people on the internet might see you having fun? I've had people shove a phone in my face and take video while I was out dancing. It's rude, but it's not a big deal. The reason people don't go out is because Live Nation/Ticketmaster made live music outrageously expensive and strangled small venues. I don’t buy that as the or even a reason. I’m older and we had raves before any legit venue would touch them. I remember once a venue was forced to cancel due to local law enforcement pressure. It happened the day before. Word spread real quick that we would just meet in a field on someone’s private land, a place we regularly had keg parties and most teenagers were aware of. We always found a way to party in those days. It was the number one objective every week, knowing where we would party on the upcoming weekend. This all was in 90s before anyone I knew had a mobile phone and the internet was not very useful yet. My observation is that we were just bored a lot. It has been a long time since young people have been as bored as we were back then. Totally different decade, but my 90s high school experience was very similar to the movie Dazed and Confused. It’s odd how similar those experiences were versus what has come with the tech disruption of youth. > My observation is that we were just bored a lot. It has been a long time since young people have been as bored as we were back then. Eh, I think it depends more on the location, than anything else. I grew up rural, we did basically exactly the same thing as you described, hosting raves in the forest, beaches and what not until we get word that police was on it's way (tiny place, everyone knew everyone, police coming was big news as we didn't have local police). We did have cellphones, the internet and more, but still, we were bored and dancing all night in a forest was the most fun we could have :) This was between around 2008-2011 sometime. I think things really went off a cliff after around 2012 once phones and internet got good, and social media cranked up the algo games. I dunno, we were "social mediaing" back in 2000s sometime, that's when most of the youth started posting pictures of themselves on the internet and using computers+webcams for communicating among ourselves, many of us used our Sony Ericsson (or similar) phones for taking pictures. I think that particular website that started it all, peaked around 2007 sometime, and was shut down by 2010 already, because of lack of activity. Plenty of sites between 2000-2010 that was the predators to modern social media too, some of them literally centered around sharing and commenting on images, kind of like Instagram, but way before. Sure there’s always a lag between city and rural on most things, even fashion trends and whatnot. That being said, I think the lag is gone and has fully saturated most places and demographics by now. The tiktokification is a huge factor that only hit in late teens in the US. Good news, you can still go to raves. There are still people there being people. > you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are These still exist! Look for events promoted as such, or look for smaller local events for the genres you're interested in - the latter might not ban phones, sure, but the vibe is still what you're seeking. Nobody's recording you. Come to Berlin, you get stickers for the phones cameras and if you film/take photos you’re thrown out.. The first time I saw something like this was in a music-focused virtual world from the 2000s. Strangers would strike up conversations with each other, dance (in some cases to well-known artists), wander around to see what others were doing, and generally just hang out. I think it was called vSide. Cokemusic was another one. Same platform of Habbo Hotel but sponsored by Coca-Cola. Making movement on IJKL instead of WASD is kind of evil Good for lefties! A bit off topic but as someone left handed I use my keyboard and mouse in exactly the same way as right handed people. It was much easier to get used to this than figure out a custom lefthanded setup. Same... I am left handed and I use the mouse with my right hand, and WASD would have been much more ergonomic. I like it! but without ability to execute own dance moves, not really dancing... Tried with keyboard but it didn't work.. Now imagining infrared webcam thing and some DIY stick on reflective things.. set up your own rave cave, attach sensors, dance, your virtual self mirrors... now you're raving That would be great, can you make a PR for it? You could also actually go to a rave. It should be easier than setting up your VR environment. I would need to drive 4 hours to get to a city that has raves, pay for a hotel, parking, entrance fee, and it would take 24 hours of my time I'd recommend the same, dancing with strangers is very different than dancing at home alone. With that said, not everyone lives in locations where these sort of parties are accessible, for some it's multiple hours away and not always doable. I'm happy both exists, but obviously, prefer in-person events myself any day of the week, and if people haven't experienced it before, they definitely should :) Damn :D even tho i prolly just gonne use it this single team, it kinda made my day :) very cool thing - just a collaborative experience to enjoy ! Awesome app, spent 10 mins on it and had a good time - thank you! One question, not requesting a change, just looking for a "why" type comment; why did you make it so you can change the progress of the videos playing? Reason I ask is, seems to be it would be more immersive/mmo-y, if everyone was experiencing the same thing as the same time. Thanks! Fun idea! I was surprised that it loaded on mobile and UI was kinda reasonable but I could tap any buttons to move or do anything. I’ll look into sending a PR for fixing that. That would be amazing. I think it would require a complete rethinking for mobile/tablet a different branch of controls. You already have all the buttons on screen. Making them clickable would make it usable on mobile. Aside: I’m not sure how many people realize how big DJ events are in VRChat, especially amongst furries. The virtual furry con Furality is coming up for example and the dances there are huge, thousands of simultaneous attendees. Worlds for events will have full DMX lighting control and sophisticated audio setups. DJs will often do live mixing as well, it’s not just pressing play on pre-recorded sets, while wearing their VR gear. Recently an event was fully synchronized between an RL version and VR version, complete with integrated lighting setup (the same DMX signals were controlling both RL event space and VR world lighting simultaneously). Every weekend there’s dozens of huge rave/DJ events going on 24 hours a day mostly be EU and US organizers, although Japan goes hard too (their virtual cons are mind-boggling huge and have major corporate sponsors). Pretty cool so far. I'm wondering if it could go in a more decentralized direction, gossip or even gnutella. And it was immediately fouled by racism. Yeah that's not very PLUR :( I've been a raver for decades, not until I jumped into reddit I started reading and seeing people writing about "PLUR" (Peace Love Unity Respect) a bunch. Our little community never really interacted with the US side of things, and never used any acronyms or "sayings" like that, it was just built-in into the community, and people running around saying stuff like that would be kind of inauthentic and borderline sketchy. Just be that, no need to say it or remind others. Kind of fun and interesting how the two electronic music scenes are very similar, but things like that remind me how different it is in say Europe than the US, even though the vibes are obviously similar and more or less the same, just way more implicit, not so "Look like this and do that". In the US, it's been a concept for almost the entire time the scene has existed. In the early 90s, PLUR was popularized by Frankie Bones, who had essentially founded the east coast US scene a few years prior. By the late 90s it was more of an implicit ethos -- you'd read about it and see it on flyers, but running around and saying it too often would indeed be considered inauthentic and rather cringe. Although, a bigger one around that time was use of the word "rave"; it was always "party" instead, to the extent that using the r-word in person was a huge faux pas which basically indicated you were either a poser or undercover law enforcement. And a "party" was always distinct from a weekly or monthly event at a club, and definitely not the same thing as a festival. That's all quite a bit different in today's scene though, which has been thoroughly commercialized and mainstreamed for the past 15 years, ever since SFX started pouring major dollars into "EDM" events. Thanks for that bits of history :) > That's all quite a bit different in today's scene though, which has been thoroughly commercialized and mainstreamed for the past 15 years Shame to hear, Europe surely feels a ton different than 10-20 years ago, but still there is something authentic behind most events I'm still going to, tend to be the smaller ones, might be why. But these most exists still today in the US/North America as well? I know for sure you can find those sort of events in Mexico for sure, but maybe today they've done the same with the electronic music events as they did with local broadcasting TV and it's all been centralized by now, would be sad to hear. Not sure why you're being downvoted - I had a blast until the inevitable edgelords spamming the N word. Maybe worth someone adding a PR to filter out such words. Yeah, I added some but they find ways around it. Eventually I'm monitoring and blocking ips manually. Needs an admin area to make this easier. Its inevitable in public spaces, especially when there is an ounce of anonymity. you could use llama guard or openai's omni-moderation model to flag bad actors That was really cool, fun The dance moves are great Thanks! For the dance moves I can only take credit that I selected them, but other people have made them, I got them from Mixamo[0]. Kudos to them! Great choice of sets!
Really appreciate them. Just though I drop by and say it, because nobody seems to notice. Rave chat was working fine until I wrote "I think rust is overrated" and I can no longer see my or anyone else's messages. Yes, really. Fun while it lasted, really cool !
Looks like we hugged it to death though, server is down.. Kinda cool! What's the max concurrency? Should scale pretty well to hundreds, only key state changes and clothes/messages/etc changes are synced when they happen, it uses dead-reckoning, client authoritative and it's pretty accurate/fast. Ah cool. So you replace NPCs with real players as they come in, or add them into the mix? Add them. The graphics support many more. That's why it's low poly. Of course if it gets popular I will start reducing the NPC count. Now they're there otherwise there's no "rave party" feeling. haha what a fun site :D.
Two dance sections to the rave site, will you be adding a Psytrance section? Looks like you have a serious moderation problem, there are racists running around using n-word racist slurs it's easier for people to use slurs then to contribute to the source and make it better. [flagged] Exactly the type of post you want from someone working on a mental health app... I think this is the single most retarded comment I've ever read on HN. Why? It’s a bit of a generalisation but some black subcultures do frequently say “the n word”. ok bro this is fire!!! I wish I would not be able to interact with the playback of the video, I think what's fun is knowing that we are all listening to the exactly the same Ty!! That's the idea but it needs some work to get there. It's possible though. Trees are dying because of this game. The epa should go after these folks for all their money. Isn't that true of all games, and even for comments on this website? Sorry if I am just missing the sarcasm. Are you the kind of guy that says that all things that serve no purpose except for entertainment should be banned? I am of the opposite school. I think practical things are fine and dandy, but the things that make us human, make life worth living, are all "useless".
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