IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

948 points by Qem 10 hours ago

Report [pdf]: https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines.

All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p...

There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made a policy of finding and destroying all the phones. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr...

general_reveal - 30 minutes ago

There is an alternate World Peace Force that just got started recently because I believe, as regimes change, the UN will audit what happened. The issue is there will now be another international body that will argue the other way. It’s not exactly 3d chess, but, it is chess. Purchase of US TikTok (chess moves).
expedition32 - an hour ago

It's pretty clear that Israel is ethnically cleansing so that they can live in a pure Jewish state.
You know who reminds me of that? Fucking Serbia and they got bombed for it.
- baq - 19 minutes ago
  
  It should be reminding you of something which happened a few decades earlier and was much, much worse than Serbia.
  - scarecrowbob - 10 minutes ago
    
    As a person living on the border between New Mexico and Colorado on land that borders reservations and who drives past the site of a residential school pretty regularly, I completely agree.
- Muromec - 33 minutes ago
  
  Serbia wasn’t on a good terms with Big Genocide lobby
  - baq - a minute ago
    
    I can’t believe I’m actually writing this: parent is an underrated comment.
- mhb - 41 minutes ago
  
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ignoramous - 2 hours ago

> All the hospitals are now rubble
Hospitals may have been used for retaliation [0], but it is unclear how many & in what capacity (according to accepted conventions, using a hospital to treat wounded combatants wouldn't make it a valid military target, for example; but hiding weapons or personnel would).
[0] One such recent report: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
- glenstein - 2 hours ago
  
  Not sure I understand the mass downvotes on this one. I didn't take it as endorsing the action but summarizing the rationale.
  - baq - 13 minutes ago
    
    FSB downvotes anti-Russia comments as a matter of course. Can’t really be more direct about the analogy to not get bot-flagged.
  - mikkupikku - an hour ago
    
    People have had good reasons for downvoting the above, but it's unclear how many and what those reasons might be.
- cholantesh - an hour ago
  
  A lot of that ambiguity would vanish if Israel did not have a habit of drastically overstating their case and quietly walking it back after they end up killing more journalists and toddlers than active combatants in hospital bombings. Also if reports didn't deliberately conflate 'armed man' with 'Hamas militant' and euphemize about the 'Hamas-run Interior Ministry' like that one does.
  - HappyPanacea - an hour ago
    
    A lot of that ambiguity would vanish if Hamas did not have a habit of not putting uniforms in combat
    
    ceejayoz - an hour ago
    
    > Israeli forces dressed in doctors’ scrubs and women’s clothes have killed three Palestinian militants in an undercover operation in a hospital in the occupied West Bank city of Jenin.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/israel-forces-...
    Hmm.
    
    HappyPanacea - an hour ago
    
    Do you understand the difference between being not in uniform in order to infiltrate enemy territory and being not in uniform in your own territory?
    
    ceejayoz - an hour ago
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidy
    > It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy… The following acts are examples of perfidy… The feigning of civilian, non-combatant status...
    (Assassinating a paralyzed patient in a hospital is also not typically - ahem - kosher. Even if you're in uniform!)
    
    HappyPanacea - 37 minutes ago
    
    Why was it decided that feigning of civilian, non-combatant status is bad? because it led to death of civilians who had no part in the fight; pretending to be your enemy's civilians bring no such issue. Although assassinating a patient is also not kosher it less relevant to the discussion about use of uniforms.
    
    ceejayoz - 35 minutes ago
    
    > pretending to be your enemy's civilians bring no such issue
    Could you clarify where in the Geneva Conventions this very important exemption is stated?
    > Why was it decided that feigning of civilian, non-combatant status is bad?
    Because people start shooting civilians thinking they're infiltrators, and even enemy civilians are protected persons.