Pixel 10 Phones

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165 points by gotmedium 2 hours ago


mg - an hour ago

The people at Google seem to think much more like me than the people at Apple.

There are 3 primary decisions Google made that click with me, while Apple's choices are a mystery to me:

1: When I put a Pixel on a table, it sits there stable. Because the backside is symmetrical. When I put an iPhone on a table, it wobbles.

2: When I sort my photos on a Pixel, I sort them in folders. The "camera" folder is where the unsorted photos are. When I sit in a bus or in a cafe, I go through it and sort the new photos into folders. This seems impossible on iPhones. Everything stays in the main folder forever. You can add photos to albums, but that does not remove them from the main folder. So there is no way to know which photos I have already sorted.

3: On Android I can use Chrome. Which means web apps can use the File System Access API. This makes web apps first class productivity applications I can use to work on my local files. Impossible on iPhones.

I'm sure people who prefer iPhones have their own set of "this clicks with me on iPhones and puzzles me on Pixels" aspects?

Is this a "left brain vs right brain" type of thing? Do most HNers prefer Androids?

jjice - 2 hours ago

> Tensor G5 and the latest version of Gemini Nano work together to run Magic Cue privately and securely on your phone.

Running Gemini Nano on device is the most interesting thing here. Magic Cue sounds exactly like the Siri improvements that Apple failed to launch this past year (and have stayed mostly quiet about for this coming year, except saying "eventually"). I hope it works well, because on-device AI for simple lookups and such is actually one of the most interesting use cases for LLMs on mobile phones to me.

I love the idea of an on-device model that I can say something like "who's going to the baseball game this weekend" and it'll intelligently check my calendar and see who's listed. Or saying something like "how much was the dinner at McDoogle's last week?" and have it check digital wallet transactions. There are so many possibilities. I assume this kind of thing would just be implemented as tool calls with app intents. I hope we see this across the board in the next three years.

somewhatrandom9 - 35 minutes ago

The tech specs: https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_10_specs?hl=en-US Says it has vpn capabilities..But then there is a footnote:

>12. Restrictions apply. Some data is not transmitted through VPN.... See https://g.co/pixel/vpn for details.

Does anyone know what data doesn't go through the vpn?

On the positive side it lists a 24+ hour battery life!! This is huge for me!! ..but it has a footnote, as well

> 6. Battery life depends upon many factors and usage of certain features will decrease battery life. Actual battery life may be lower. Over time, Pixel software will manage battery performance to help maintain battery health as your battery ages. See https://g.co/pixel/battery-tests and https://g.co/pixel/batteryhealth for details.

Which I guess is understandable

the__alchemist - 2 hours ago

Looks like they're still only available in "Huge" and "comically oversized". I guess I can keep buying Pixel 4s until new ones (req for battery) are no longer available.

Jabbles - 3 minutes ago

https://imgur.com/a/sDJTiyK

That 100x zoom looks a bit... sloppy...

The car has one wing mirror and the rear tire is wider than the front.

Is there someone who knows more about cars who can confirm that this is in fact, not real?

ironman1478 - 10 minutes ago

The hardware and features seem great, but I'm not gonna buy another pixel phone. I've had a pixel 8 for 2 years the stability of the software has gone down so much. I frequently have an unresponsive UI, requiring me to turn off my phone with the side buttons. I also have had many issues with the keyboard and it not responding when using chrome, requiring me to kill chrome and restart it.

It seems like Google only tests on their latest device when releasing android because people I know who always get the latest phones don't have these problems. It's a very poor customer experience. It's the phone experience of an old super car. It's fast and does lots of cool things, but it feels like the wheels are gonna come off at any minute.

rafaelmn - 39 minutes ago

I am considering switching to Google, I am getting annoyed by Apple more and more, but the critical feature for me is AI assistant.

I am the first to criticize the LLM hype and I do not expect much out of them - but the fact that I cannot get Siri to turn a single light in my room instead of all of them is just FUBAR from my perspective. Siri is such garbage at this point that the gap between it and ChatGPT app is unbelievable. I can't even get it to reliably call people in my contacts, meanwhile my 4 year old can talk to ChatGPT in Croatian. Google Gemini seems to be on par so their assistant should be at least semi competent.

cyocum - 4 minutes ago

I still have a Samsung Galaxy S8. It runs fine. I don't really need more from a phone. Maybe I am missing something but I really cannot see myself getting a new phone.

ge96 - 42 minutes ago

That fake zoom with AI is gross ugh

If I'm taking a picture of something I want it to be real light-to-pixel action not some made up wambo-jambo

ortusdux - an hour ago

AI assisted zoom is interesting. Will it invent license plate numbers, guess what faces look like, or just output high resolution blurs?

Jabbles - an hour ago

> For instance, when you're calling an airline, it can automatically find your flight details from your email and display it during your phone call.

Is this really the best example usecase they can think of? How often does an individual call an airline? I'm sure in aggregate they get a lot of calls, but I don't think I've ever had to.

It just seems really weird that this is the top example of on-device AI. The other examples mentioned, like "finding the right photos to share with a friend", seem more relatable.

bityard - an hour ago

> Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro and Pixel 10 Pro XL are all available for preorder today starting at $799, $999 and $1199.

Sigh, still not going to pay more for a phone than I paid for my computer.

Also, what is up with that camera module? This doesn't look like it can physically slide into jeans pockets. At least round the corners or add little ramps. I guess this is what happens when design folk are allowed to trump engineers.

baby - a minute ago

No fold phones???

thebruce87m - an hour ago

If you own a pixel phone remember to do regular emergency call tests. They have a bug that has stuck around for generations but for some reason they get a pass.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1ano09x/pixel_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1jzo5hu/pixel_...

qwertox - an hour ago

Google is being deceptive with their zoom demo.

They zoom from 100x to 0.5x and present 0.5x as "what it actually looks like."

They're making 100x zoom appear twice as impressive by using ultra-wide (0.5x) as fake 'normal' vision.

wrcwill - 3 minutes ago

still a low frequency pwm phone.. what i would give for a modern no-pwm / high frequency pwm phone

benbristow - 16 minutes ago

It's a shame the Pixels don't have IR sensors. One of the most underrated features that some Androids have - I was in a hotel in Poland this year and it had Aircon in the room (and was rather warm), but there was no remote. The IR sensor on my phone saved my butt as it could turn on the AC!

There's no end of times that the IR sensor has come in useful one way or another.

devinprater - 12 minutes ago

I love Android, besides a few accessibility issues, especially when typing to Gemini and TalkBack not speaking the reply, but I don't like how sluggish TalkBack is on Pixel phones. I had the 8 and hated that.

mrintegrity - 44 minutes ago

My dream is to have a phone like this that supports thunderbolt host mode, runs grapheneos or similar and can drive a couple of displays via usb-c docking station. With the memory and CPU this phone could easily replace my work laptop (vscode and ssh for the most part). Sadly I haven't found any phone that would make this possible (Samsung Dex doesn't count because it's proprietary)

nfriedly - 2 hours ago

Looks like a minor improvement to the pixel 9 series. Honestly, that's fine, I'm pretty happy with my Pixel 9 Pro.

The built-in magsafe charging magnets are a nice addition, although a case with magnets in it works for me for now.

Of course, the #1 feature I'd like to see is expandable storage, which Google seems to be strangely against. #2 would be a headphones jack - Google has already reversed course on that one once, but another reversal seems unlikely.

paxys - 19 minutes ago

Over the last few iterations the Pixel line has been slowly setting itself apart as the true "premium" Android device. It's a shame the sales numbers don't match though, because Samsung and a long list of low-budget Android OEMs are still the ones calling the shots.

mattfrommars - 43 minutes ago

Looks slick.

> automatically find your flight details

I appreciate this but can they please go beyond search and instead legitimately find me cheapest price and overall best time to fly? Or strategies to find cheaper fight using different plans or maybe integrated credit point I have, coupons?

I'd love to see AI saving me big money and doing all the hassle for me.

varbhat - an hour ago

I want to know how the TSMC-manufactured Tensor processors compares to Samsung-manufactured Tensor processors and also how TSMC-manufactured Tensor processors compare to TSMC-manufactured Snapdragon processors. Samsung's Tensors (also Exynos) had the fame of getting superhot. I want to know if these problems persist in new Tensor chips.

Paianni - 9 minutes ago

I hope they stop superglueing the batteries inside the phones.

wishfish - an hour ago

I hope there's an improved screen. I bought a 9 Pro XL with hopes of running GrapheneOS but the PWM on the Pixel was terrible. Instant headaches. I can more or less get by ok with recent iPhone screens but the Pixel screen didn't work at all for me.

Heard a rumor that Google was going to take eye strain seriously for this version. Hope that's true.

LucidLynx - 2 hours ago

> Tensor G5 and the latest version of Gemini Nano work together to run Magic Cue privately and securely on your phone.

YES! Here we talk.

The fact we can now host a version of an AI model, and make sure everything is processed locally and is not sent to the cloud is the best feature of those phones. I just hope that data do not leave the phone OR are encrypted to be stored in Google servers...

piperswe - an hour ago

I wonder how they'll screw it up this time. I have to deal with a pink line down my Pixel 8's screen, because while there is an extended warranty for that issue, you need to flash the stock firmware (wiping the device) to put it in "service mode" so uBreakIFix can do their thing.

jmcphers - 2 hours ago

I'm delighted to see that they don't make you get the biggest phone in order to get the best cameras. I've been using Pixels since the Pixel 3 and always feel like I'm making compromises in the camera department in order to get a phone that will actually fit in my hand/pocket.

NoboruWataya - 41 minutes ago

I wonder will this make some of the older Pixels (say 7-9) cheaper on eBay. I have been toying with the idea of replacing my Samsung S10 for ages now, and the battery life is really starting to degrade so I might pull the trigger soon.

Depurator - 2 hours ago

I'm curious what kind of performance the Tensor G5 would have with llama.cpp, compared to a 16gb desktop gpu.

JoshTriplett - an hour ago

I really wish they'd upgrade the Pro Fold to have the Pro camera system. :(

I don't know why they assume that someone buying a $2000 phone doesn't want the best available camera.

drewbitt - an hour ago

You can't install any of the AI models on the Pixel 9 if you have the bootloader unlocked. Wouldn't be surprised that Gemini Nano or Pro Res Zoom didn't work, either.

ryandvm - 40 minutes ago

I'm sorry, is that car in the 100X zoom even a real model?

mrbonner - an hour ago

If we can somehow put AI agent locally on a phone that could use tools (cough: APIs) I think it will be the wildest revolution after the invention of a smart phone. How about a truly smart phone!

dtf - an hour ago

I wonder if these new devices will finally have support for the elusive APV codec.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Professional_Video

silisili - an hour ago

I know it's a petty thing, but I quit using the Pixel when they forced an unmovable and unhideable search bar onto the bottom of the homescreen.

Can anyone report if that's still the case? I know custom launchers exist, but I'd really rather not go that route.

sparrish - an hour ago

That camera bump is huge. I guess that's how you get the great zoom?

Phone cases are doing heavy lifting to smooth out the back of this phone.

codeduck - 2 hours ago

God, what an ugly device.

programmertote - 27 minutes ago

The look of the phone reminds me of Bender from Futurama.

LeoPanthera - an hour ago

I'm not an Android user, so pardon me if this is a stupid thing to say, but it's weird to me that these phones apparently have some new UI unique to them. I thought Android was just Android. Won't other Android phones get this update?

binary132 - an hour ago

Insanely hideous.

jjulius - 2 hours ago

Why do we need brand new models every year?

dzonga - an hour ago

can these guys now actually make phones that don't overheat or have battery problems ?

sam1234apter - 2 hours ago

Battery life looks great

baxuz - 40 minutes ago

So, any of these features gonna be available for non-US regions/system region settings?

frankfrank13 - an hour ago

> A camera with Gemini

and im out

> Exclusive to the Pixel 10 Pro and 10 Pro XL, Pro Res Zoom captures astonishing detail at up to 100x zoom. It isn't just a simple crop; Pro Res Zoom uses Tensor G5 and an all-new generative imaging model to intelligently recover and refine intricate details.

bro in your demo the car is a half el-camino half mustang

_blk - 2 hours ago

Phones are not the hot commodity they used to be anymore and that's a good thing IMHO. I just bought a Px7 after breaking my 6a that I had for 3 years. I did look at the Px10 specs but with the price/value it was an easy decision. I'm now expecting the same 3y worth of battery I was getting out of my 6a (a day started getting tight at the end). Bigger still seems to be the definition of better but I had a CAT S60 for a while, so it's still small compared to that brick.

Overall very happy with the Px series and I'm happy they keep making them. On the software side it runs Graphene OS just as well as the 6a. Setup was super easy with the Chromium WebUSB based installer. I expect the Px10 to be supported soon too.

cft - an hour ago

Does the camera module still fall off like on the Pixel 9?

https://www.google.com/search?q=reddit+pixel+camera+falling

bsimpson - an hour ago

meta: It's getting to the point where I need to pay for The Verge or stop reading it. Every one of their Pixel articles is behind a paywall.

mrbluecoat - 2 hours ago

That 100X zoom example is pretty amazing

do_not_redeem - 2 hours ago

> Pro Res Zoom uses Tensor G5 and an all-new generative imaging model to intelligently recover and refine intricate details.

Reminds me of https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...

I guess we'll never be able to trust any photos taken with a Pixel 10 or above.

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jandrese - 2 hours ago

> Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro and Pixel 10 Pro XL are all available for preorder today starting at $799, $999 and $1199.

No Pixel 10a was announced, and frankly Google's track record with hardware is a bit discouraging for someone thinking about spending a grand on a phone.

hypeatei - 2 hours ago

The "magic cue" sounds like Windows CoPilot but isn't getting the same backlash for some reason. Why would I want AI tightly woven into everything I'm doing on my phone?

Seems like a privacy nightmare.

nagisa - 24 minutes ago

Its a google phone. Wouldn't be surprised if this one too forgets the WiFi credentials every second day.