The forgotten meaning of "jerk"

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128 points by aspenmayer a day ago


sdrothrock - a day ago

The evolution of "jerk" makes me also think of "nimrod" and how it referred to the biblical hunter and meant someone with great skills in hunting, until it was used to refer to Elmer Fudd, at which point the meaning changed to mean a complete idiot.

https://thehabit.co/nimrod-hectoring-maudlin-eponymns-and-pe...

andy99 - a day ago

I always thought it was the third derivative of position

handsclean - a day ago

I wonder if it used to be that people largely weren’t on the same page, and didn’t know it. It’s not like people consult dictionaries to learn what slang means, or even usually ask somebody, and the definitions are related enough that responses usually don’t distinguish them. I’ve noticed it’s not uncommon online that a post’s likes are split between opposing interpretations, like agreeing with its politics vs seeing it as satire of politics one disagrees with.

jp57 - a day ago

Here’s the sort of spooky thing. It’s not just that there are multiple generations who’ve never known a “jerk” was once a simpleton or sap. It’s that some of the folks who used to use it that way don’t remember that they did. When I asked my mom to define the word this week, she used the modern meaning, with no apparent recollection of her former firm conviction that a jerk was a dope, dodo, or dimwit.

I am gen-X and I have no recollection of that former meaning at all. I was 10 or 11 years old when the movie The Jerk came out, and I recall being mildly confused about the fact that he didn't really seem like a jerk, and sort of thinking that he must be acting that way on purpose.

jedberg - a day ago

When I hear jerk my first thought is always as the second derivative of velocity, because I had a TA in college who was specifically studying jerk as it relates to autonomous driving -- back in the 90s!

So he taught us how to calculate it and its importance, because it turns out the car can handle a lot more jerk than the humans inside!

wduquette - 2 hours ago

I was born in the early 60’s, and I don’t recall my elders ever using “jerk” in what the OP calls the original sense. I have always understood it in the “modern” sense.

tjmc - a day ago

I suspect this unawareness of language use is universal. When I lived in the UK in the early 90's, people would discuss the weather in celcius when it was cold and fahrenheit when it was warm with seemingly no idea that they'd switched.

VonGuard - a day ago

I believe this comes from soda jerks: the guys who jerk the soda taps and make you an egg cream or a chocolate coke. I should probably say "made," as it's a job that was eliminated by soda machines. A lot of restaurants even have customers "Jerk" their own soda, though now you just press a cup against a thingie.

CraigJPerry - a day ago

On a tangent from the article since this isn't a forgotten meaning of jerk but i've always been surprised at how often the 3rd derivative of position crops up usefully in life.

Just as interesting to me is the fact I've never (i don't think) had a practical use for the 4th derivative, jounce (think this is a British English term, American is snap i believe). The only place i've seen it used is in car suspension design.

tombert - a day ago

Interesting. I'm thirty-something and I do seem to remember my grandparents using "jerk" to mean "idiot", but for my entire life I've always thought of it as a kid-friendly way to say "asshole".

It always confused me when my grandparents would call someone who was perfectly nice a "jerk", and it wasn't until I watched the Steve Martin movie four or five years ago that I understood why.

sugarpimpdorsey - a day ago

It's a good time as any to remind everyone that The Jerk is still one of the funniest movies ever made. It could never be made today, and I suggest you pick up a copy if you've never seen it.

lmm - a day ago

Especially if you're a monoglot, language seems transparent. You don't remember what you said, you remember what you thought, but you think there's no difference between them, so of course you think you said what you would say now if you thought that. (Indeed many monoglots think they think in language!)

bigstrat2003 - a day ago

I don't know why, but I went into this thinking it was going to be about soda jerks.

saghm - a day ago

There are a few places in the article that they refer to the modern usage as being similar to "asshole", which was interesting to me because I've often been mystified about that word and it's relationship to "ass". When used alone, "ass" to me feels like it's roughly synonymous as when it's prefixed with "dumb", which would seem to relate to that old meaning of "jerk", but with "hole" on the end, it's equivalent to the modern version of "jerk". Putting aside my usual questions about what makes the hole smarter but more rude, maybe "jerk" just gained an implicit hole? And can this tell us anything about whether "jerkwad" will evolve beyond jerk in a generation or two?

kpgraham - 11 hours ago

Anyone who drives faster than you is a jerk. Anyone who drives slower is an idiot.

derbOac - a day ago

I'm too young to be a benchmark but I remember the former meaning having a connotation of being annoying to or causing problems for others, but inadvertently so. As in, you're a dimwit who means no harm, but does so because you're a dimwit. But maybe by that time the transformation was already underway.

nashashmi - 17 hours ago

Other words with meanings that changed are punk, dumb, and nice. The dictionary meaning didn’t match how people understood them.

dkarl - a day ago

I remember being confused by this word when I was a kid! I was a kid in the eighties and remember reading/hearing things like "what a jerk" and thinking people were way too harsh with it. Maybe I landed too late to learn the old meaning but early enough to hear it sometimes? Or maybe I did learn it early on and then forgot with everybody else.

seeknotfind - a day ago

If you've seen Steve Martin's The Jerk, you'd know he becomes a real jerk in the modern sense during the movie.

pavel_lishin - a day ago

Makes you wonder what other words have changed meaning right under your nose, without you noticing.

BobbyTables2 - a day ago

Thought it also referred to change in acceleration in Physics. But never understood the relevance of such a type of unit.

Could be fun to talk about the “instantaneous jerk”, “integrating the jerk”, and the “average jerk”.

phkahler - a day ago

So the movie quote says the character was a pumpkin, but definitely not a jerk. Isn't that movie from the late 70s? So the shift took place by then. Or did the movie somehow redefine it?

sexyman48 - a day ago

Just use the full term "jerk-off," and there'll be no ambiguity. Incidentally, nice guys masturbate too, so the term never made sense to me.

skeezyboy - 12 hours ago

jerk is an insult and always has been, nothing has changed. it was derisive then, and still is

tokyolights2 - a day ago

I wonder how much of it is that in today's society it is worse to be disagreeable than it is to be inept.

andrewmcwatters - a day ago

The term "racist" used to mean someone who believed that one's race, or ethnic background was superior to another's. It was a form of belief in racial supremacy.

It didn't mean that someone used race as a form of prejudice. But for decades this hasn't been the case, and it is almost exclusively used to describe someone who uses prejudice or discriminates others on the basis of race or ethnicity.

And now we no longer have a colloquial or formal single word for someone who holds racial supremacist views, because the two ideas have commingled.

DonHopkins - 11 hours ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41478088

DonHopkins 11 months ago | parent | context | favorite | on: The PERQ Computer

The predecessor to the "Blit" at Bell Labs was originally named the "Jerq" as a rude play on "Perq" borrowed by permission from Lucasfilm, and the slogan was "A Jerq at Every Desk".

PERQ workstation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERQ

Blit (computer terminal):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blit_(computer_terminal)

>The folk etymology for the Blit name is that it stands for Bell Labs Intelligent Terminal, and its creators have also joked that it actually stood for Bacon, Lettuce, and Interactive Tomato. However, Rob Pike's paper on the Blit explains that it was named after the second syllable of bit blit, a common name for the bit-block transfer operation that is fundamental to the terminal's graphics.[2] Its original nickname was Jerq, inspired by a joke used during a demo of a Three Rivers' PERQ graphic workstation and used with permission.

https://inbox.vuxu.org/tuhs/CAKzdPgz37wwYfmHJ_7kZx_T=-zwNJ50...

  From: Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com>
  To: Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org>
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  Subject: Re: [TUHS] Blit source
  Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:26:47 +1100 [thread overview]
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  Your naming isn't right, although the story otherwise is accurate.

  The Jerq was the original name for the 68K machines hand-made by Bart. The
  name, originally coined for a fun demo of the Three Rivers Perq by folks at
  Lucasfilm, was borrowed with permission by us but was considered unsuitable
  by Sam Morgan as we reached out to make some industrially, by a company
  (something Atlantic) on Long Island. So "Blit" was coined. The Blit name
  later stuck unofficially to the DMD-5620, which was made by Teletype and,
  after some upheavals, had a Western Electric BellMac 32000 CPU.

  If 5620s were called Jerqs, it was an accident. All the software with that
  name would be for the original, Locanthi-built and -designed 68K machines.

  The sequence is thus Jerq, Blit, DMD-5620. DMD stood for dot-mapped rather
  than bit-mapped, but I never understood why. It seemed a category error to
  me.

  -rob
https://inbox.vuxu.org/tuhs/CAKzdPgxreqfTy+55qc3-Yx5zZPVVwOW...

  The original name was Jerq, which was first the name given by friends at
  Lucasfilm to the Three Rivers PERQ workstations they had, for which the
  Pascal-written software and operating system were unsatisfactory. Bart
  Locanthi and I (with Greg Chesson and Dave Ditzel?) visited Lucasfilm in
  1981 and we saw all the potential there with none of the realization. My
  personal aha was that, as on the Alto, only one thing could be running at a
  time and that was a profound limitation. When we began to design our answer
  to these problems a few weeks later, we called Lucasfilm to ask if they
  minded us borrowing their excellent rude name, and they readily agreed.

  Our slogan: A jerq at every desk.
humblepie - a day ago

Reminds me of Albert Fish.

carlosjobim - a day ago

The correct answer is at the bottom of this thread. Down voted, [flagged] and [dead] as usual. "Jerk" is sexual slang.

kristofferR - a day ago

Jamaican jerk is really nice.

mc32 - a day ago

A possible reason people forget the previous meaning despite having used it with the old meaning is that they may have understood and used the new meaning for ages but used the old meaning in more formal settings.

aspenmayer - a day ago

https://archive.is/JTdcI

socalgal2 - a day ago

the post is gaslighting his own mom

> It’s that some of the folks who used to use it that way don’t remember that they did. When I asked my mom to define the word this week, she used the modern meaning, with no apparent recollection of her former firm conviction that a jerk was a dope, dodo, or dimwit. Did someone Neuralyze my mom,

No, they didn't. It's well documented the meaning was already changing in the 70s. "The Jerk" the movie might make it seem ambiguous but usage meaning "obnoxious/asshole" was common in the 70s and 80s. Dictionary defintions just mean they were out of date to common usage.

It doesn't help that you can warp the "idiot" meaning into the "obnoxious" meaning in the form of "If you'd stop being stupid you'd realize your being obnoxious".

> In fact, “the 1970s is when you start to see the obnoxious meaning really take off,” says Michael Adams, an English professor and specialist in lexicography at Indiana University Bloomington and the author of Slang: The People’s Poetry and other books about language. Not only was there “a rising use of ‘jerk,’” but there was also “the absolutely predictable development” of “compound forms like jerk ass, jerk face, jerk wad, jerk weed. … That is another reflection of the obnoxious meaning, and basically a generation of heavy slang users looking for a way not to sound like they come from the 1930s by using jerk in the traditional way of their parents and grandparents.” Martin, Adams notes, was in his mid-30s when The Jerk came out, old enough that in contrast to the kids on the cutting edge of jerk usage, he would have been “referring to an older use of the word.”

aaron695 - a day ago

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nosioptar - a day ago

I prefer the term "douchebag" for its inclusivity. People of all ages know you're calling the person an asshole. I've also noticed Mormons are less offended by "douchebag" than "asshole".

permo-w - a day ago

The meaning changing without noticing thing is interesting but not hugely surprising to me. Besides a few cartoons on TV and maybe some films, in my early life I exclusively spoke and heard British English, but with the proliferation of American English via the internet, there are a lot of words that I know full well I originally pronounced in "British", but now I'm not really sure which is the "correct" pronunciation. "Lever" and "Leverage" are good examples of words where I noticed this and had to figure out which was which. Obviously there's a difference between pronunciation and meaning, and of course I'm aware of the shift, but it feels like a similar thing.