ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation
aclu.org743 points by mandmandam 8 months ago
743 points by mandmandam 8 months ago
From what research I've seen, the phrasing here should be that non-citizens were deported and chose to bring their US citizen children with them. The children themselves were not deported.
This in no way excuses any of the other issues like not allowing contact with legal advocates / attorneys.
Difficult to describe them as choosing to do anything:
> ICE held the families incommunicado, refusing or failing to respond to multiple attempts by attorneys and family members to contact them. In one instance, a mother was granted less than one minute on the phone before the call was abruptly terminated when her spouse tried to provide legal counsel’s phone number.
What would they do, leave their child in an ICE facility and hope that somehow word gets back to family to go get them?
Especially when the same politicians and agencies pushing the whole cruel scheme have a past history of permanently losing hundreds of children. [0]
"Leave your 2-year-old with the angry government man who will totes ensure they are reunited with your spouse" is not a choice that exists.
[0] https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/16/us-lasting-harm-family-s...
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They wouldn't let these kids have toothpaste the last time they did this.
Subdermal tracking implants then? Although I wouldn't put it past these drooling sadists to start cutting things out of their prisoners.
I can't tell if this is a serious suggestion, or if it's proposed in the same tone as "a modest proposal".
In case you are serious: This is a pretty horrifying proposal. Humans can get microchipped, but these cost money, are very painful to administer, and importantly are RFID only, i.e. not useful for finding ones own children.
I am a fan of Mr Swift, the suggestion was not serious, but my musings about ICE's sadism are.
Yes, and that was with Obama and 'children in cages'.
Trump is only turning the screws that were firmly installed by all previous presidents and congresses. The only real shock to this immigration action is the blitzkrieg of immediacy, horror, and flaunting violating court orders.
Courts don't have police to enforce judgements. The executive branch does. Hard to enforce finger-wagging. (And well, hello arrested judge day yesterday)
Jesus christ hn
Hn, as a forum for discussion, is fundamentally not equipped to rationally discuss America going this far off the rails.
It is far better suited for less difficult topics, like yet another web framework being developed or some 2% improvements in database access efficiency. For discussing real problems that impact human beings existentially, face-to-face conversation is vastly superior.
They would transfer custody to an individual who was allowed to remain in the US. This had been organized in the case of at least one of the US citizens deported (expelled?) here.
How do you arrange this when not allowed to speak with anyone?
The mother and child were in custody, the father was not, and was prompt in acquiring legal counsel, arranging this, and suing, leading to exceptionally clear circumstances in this case. This is the docket for the lawsuit: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69940863/v-m-l-v-harper...
The mother was also technically able to speak with the father, though monitored, for less than a minute, and they were interrupted when the father attempted to give a number for the attorney to the mother.
To be clear, I'm not defending any of ICEs actions here, I'm saying that they kidnapped this child who had arrangements made to remain in the US despite ICEs best (also almost certainly illegal) attempts to prevent that from happening.
> The mother was also technically able to speak with the father, though monitored, for less than a minute, and they were interrupted when the father attempted to give a number for the attorney to the mother.
Based on your wording alone, would it be safe to say the mother was unable to avail herself of counsel before making a decision?
To the extent that they let the mother make a decision, which is itself unclear, I would say all evidence points to that.
We only really have the father's and judge's account of events here.
> We only really have the father's and judge's account of events here
Given that, then this whole thread is pointless. I just assumed people were more informed based on what they’re claiming.
The point of due process is to construct such a record. The fact that due process is being denied in these circumstances is one of the reasons that so much of the public discussion is rumor and innuendo.
And this is actually one of the many things that this executive doesn't seem to grasp about the fundamentals of how this England-inherited, American-modified government functions. Due process doesn't just protect the people. It protects the king from rumors abounding about his tyranny that eventually lead to his beheading, because if there is no record to show then there is no record to justify the actions of the crown either.
The Magna Carta has stood for about a thousand years. But it has stood because every monarch who tried to place themselves above it found themselves much shorter by the end of their reign.